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Podcast Ep 30: Taking Care of Teachers, Adaptability, & Making a Lasting Impact w/ Meghan Lawson

Podcast Ep 30: Taking Care of Teachers, Adaptability, & Making a Lasting Impact w/ Meghan Lawson

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The special guest on today's episode is Meghan Lawson, a former ELA teacher and author of the new book "Legacy of Learning: Teaching for Lasting Impact." Throughout this conversation, Meghan emphasizes the importance of experiences in developing passions and shares insightful quotes from people she admires or draws inspiration from. We discuss her own journey into education and how it grew into a deeper passion for the profession. Among what Meghan values, is the belief in creating meaningful experiences for both students and staff, ultimately empowering them to make a lasting impact.

Additionally, Meghan and Sara discuss adaptability, teacher support, and the need for honesty in education. 

Key reflection: What is something that will always be true? Or What about yourself do only others usually see?


(0:02:31) The unconventional path to becoming an educator

(0:04:12) From teacher to educational administration

(0:08:01) Addressing the experience and passion gaps in education

(0:11:30) The Importance of Adaptability and Experience

(0:14:31) Taking Care of Teachers and All Learners

(0:16:27) Choosing Doable Hard vs. Destructive Hard

(0:20:05) The Importance of Meaningful Conversation

(0:21:09) The Power of Face-to-Face Communication

(0:23:40) Inspiring Others through Meaningful Feedback

(0:30:04) The Changing Landscape of Education

(0:33:06) Taking a Closer Look at How We Talk About Education

(0:38:15) Reflecting on What Will Always Be True


Links Mentioned:

Meghan on Twitter: @Meghan_Lawson

Meghan on the Web:

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  • Music: “Goodnight, Shapeshifter” by MusicForNothing, used under Creative Commons BY-ND 3.0.

Audio Editing & Production: Tim Belmont (@tbelmontedu)